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Originally posted by Kosta_g:

Еще как как набегает.

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Изначально написано AllBiBek:

О как! Сорри за бурю в стакане воды

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Не, вопрос то нужный.
Термин пока не гостирован, и вроде так-то, в общем виде,
всем понятно, но оказывается по разному.
Про затвор набегающий на ствол и спуск - вообще непонятно откуда взялось.
Если словосочетание "trigger group" во фразе из английской Вики:
"The entire magazine is often also located behind the trigger group, [2] though it is only necessary for the weapon's feed location to be located there for it to be classified as a bullpup;",
понимать как - "спусковой крючок и рукоятка управления огнём", то мне лучше подходит по смыслу.

Статья очень содержательная и наглядная, но здесь авторские иллюстрации не буду выкладывать. Есть еще ч.2 статьи, однако тут уж сами, журнал еще продается.

Кому надо перевести- распознанный текст:
RHODESIA
Recent events in Rhodesia have generated a demand for portable and handy lightweight de-fensive small arms. Several newly developed weapons firing the 9mm Parabellum cartridge are available. Some are true submachine guns; others are semiautomatic carbines. One can be termed a pistol with a folding stock. The weapons other than submachine guns are discussed elsewhere in this book.

R-76
The R-76 submachine gun is designed, so far as possible, to be manufactured with material produced locally in Rhodesia. The designer, Roger Mansfield, began working on the weapon early in 1976, which is the reason for the "76" in the designation.
The receiver is rectangular in cross section,and the bolt travels on twin guide rods which also support the driving springs. The charging handle, located on the left side of the receiver, does not move during firing. Ejection is to the right, and feed is from below. Magazines are interchangeable with those of the Browning Hi-Power pistol.
The barrel of the prototype was made with 24 microgrooves, and the results achieved were sufficiently good that it is proposed to continue this feature on the production guns. No informa-tion is available about the cost-effectiveness of this rifling.
The manufacturer proposes to supply barrels in a choice of four lengths: 6, 8, 9, or 10 inches. The two longer barrels would be available with a flash suppressor, a bayonet lug, and a bipod, as optional equipment.
The wire stock can be removed and stored under the receiver. Although it is then inserted
in the same sockets into which it fits when used for shoulder firing, it is not a folding or a retractable stock, but actually a removable stock.
The action is straight blowback, firing is from the open-bolt position, and the cyclic rate of fire is about 480 rounds per minute.
The description of this weapon is taken from the prototype, and it is possible that some details may be changed during production.
At present, it is understood that the R-76 is to be produced only as a submachine gun, there being no plan to make it as a semiautomatic carbine.

WEAPON DESIGNATION...R-76
Class of weapon...Submachine gun
Country of origin...Rhodesia
Cartridge...9mm Parabellum
Method of operation...Blowback
Ready-to-fire position...Bolt open
Firing mode...Selective, full automatic or semiautomatic
Cyclic rate of fire...480 rpm
Length, without stock...21 in* (with 10-in barrel)
Length, with stock...30 in* (with 10-in barrel)
Barrel length...6, 8, 9, or 10 in
Weight, unloaded...61/2 lb (with 6-in barrel)
Type of feed...Single-position, two-row
Magazine capacity...13,20, or 30 rounds
Number of lands...24

Rhogun
The Rhogun was developed by B.H.S. (Pvt) Ltd. of Belmont, Bulawayo, Rhodesia. The design apparently was started early in 1977. It is proposed to produce the Rhogun both as a submachine gun and as a semiautomatic carbine. Although advertisements were being published for some time earlier implying that this gun was already available, it appears that as of mid-1978 only samples had been made.
A visitor who fired the gun at that time stated that all the bugs had not been worked out of the prototype. Of course, all prototype guns show some problems, but the visitor experienced considerable jamming and other problems when he fired the submachine gun.
This gun is a typical blowback-operated submachine gun, with a sliding wire stock. The bolt is guided in the receiver by sliding on a single rod, which also carries the driving spring. The firing pin is of the fixed type.
The most unusual feature is the grip safety. The magazine is housed in the grip, but it is normally positioned below the path of the feed rib on the bolt. When the safety is gripped, it causes the magazine to rise about 1/4 inch to a correct ramming position. This arrangement is intended to prevent unintentional firing from any cause. The magazine is similar or identical to that of the Israeli Uzi submachine gun. The charging handle does not move during firing.
Only substantial field use can determine the efficiency of any new safety device, and, as yet, the Rhogun has not achieved wide distribution.

WEAPON DESIGNATION::::::::::::::::::::...Rhogun
Class of weapon:::::::::::::::::::::Submachine gun
Country of origin:::::::::::::::::::...::::Rhodesia
Cartridge:::::::::::::::::::::::...9mm Parabellum
Method of operation::::::::::::::::::::::.Blowback
Ready-to-fire position:::::::::::::::::::::...Bolt open
Cyclic rate of fire:::::::::::::::::::.550 rpm (estimated)
Length, with stock extended:::::::::::::::::::...660 mm
Length, with stock retracted::::::::::::::::::..:.457 mm
Barrel length:::::::::::::::::::::::::...254 mm
Weight, unloaded:::::::::::::::::::...4 kg (approximate)
Type of feed::::::::::::::::::::..two-position, two-row
Magazine capacity::::::::::::::::::::::....25 rounds
Number of lands:::::::::::::::::::::::::..:...4
Direction of twist:::::::::::::::::::::::::..Right
Muzzle velocity::::::::::::::::::::.381 m/s (estimated)
Sight, front:::::::::::::::::::::::::..::...Post
Sight, rear:::::::::::::::::::::.Flip, 100 m and 200 m

Model 25 Submachine Gun
A visitor to Rhodesia in 1978 brought back a snapshot of a submachine gun allegedly made in Rhodesia. The photograph shows a gun of the well-known Czechoslovak Model 25 type which fires 9mm Parabellum ammunition. It was noted that this gun did not have the magazine filling device which is found on the right side of the forearm on the Czechoslovak gun. No firm information is available, however, concerning supposed manufacture of this gun in Rhodesia.

Other Rhodesian Guns
Several other Rhodesian small arms also have appeared recently. Among these are the following weapons, which, although they are not submachine guns, are worth mentioning here as interesting related types.
The Cobra is a 9mm semiautomatic carbine which resembles a submachine gun.
The L.D.P. is a 9mm semiautomatic pistol with a folding wire stock, said to be made in Rhodesia.
The Mamba is a 9mm machine pistol which was originally intended for production in Rhodesia, but the project was later moved to South Africa. (A semiautomatic version is scheduled for production in the United States.)
The above three guns are treated elsewhere in this book.

к\ф "Сердца трёх", 1я серия, на скрине виден хронометраж)) Судя по диаметру ствола это патроны от ТТ. Смотрел на общественном видеохостинге, так что разрешение 480х360. Возможно в HD можно будет разглядеть точнее.
.32 S&W в СССР ?...даже не знаю; укороченный спортивный патрон Наган, но там пуля в гильзе
как вариант, в кадре стреляет нагановскими патронами, а крупный план перезарядки какими то другими

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Изначально написано Hisname:
Судя по диаметру ствола это патроны от ТТ.

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?Были какие-то серийные спецстволы под ТТ?

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Блт.. универсальный холостой патрон? не?не слышал...
Для нагана,ТТ, и прочих вальтеров...с МП..и ППШ..

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Спасибо, теперь мне все понятно

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?Были какие-то серийные спецстволы под ТТ?

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Я имел в виду что ствол родной, если стрелять то ТТ патронами из переделанного барабана. В наличие в СССР патронов .32 SW мне слабо верится.

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Originally posted by Новгородец:

Идея напрашивается сама собой, главное - что прикрутить. Видел осколочный суббоеприпас от кассетной бомбы с взрывателем от 60-мм мины приделанный к движку от ПГ-2.

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P.S. Поискал сравнительные размеры, получается длина дымовой гранаты 3Д17 - 220мм, а например мины О-832ДУ от кромки хвостовика до верхней кромки ведущих поясков - 241.58 мм, всего ширина ведущей части 33.82мм. То есть в габаритах штатной дымгранаты в лучшем случае помещается пара поясков-проточек мины. Не знаю точных размеров мортирки Тучи, но сомнения все больше и больше. Хотя возможно есть другие типы мин, может применяют какой то обтюратор, может еще что. А может работает и так.

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универсальный холостой патрон? не?не слышал...

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